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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2017.03.27 21:38:36 -
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The State are many things, stupid isn't one of them and this was stupid to a significant degree if we're to go by the official story. They wouldn't start shooting up unarmed freighters over Quafe returning some bloody empty drink canisters if there wasn't more to it than that.
Of course, exactly what 'more' there is to it is close to impossible to tell. As far as I know, we don't actually know that the cargo was just empty canisters, or if the crew didn't number potential intelligence operatives among them, or any other number of potential actual reasons for this display of violence.
For all the **** the State sometimes pull, I sort of doubt they'd fire on unarmed vessels without warning over something like this without attempts to turn them back, boarding and arresting the captains, or any other number of things you can do to enforce a closed border. Warp disruption, force compliance, warning shots (quite a few of them if necessary, those hulls can take a decent beating) and so on are all reasonable to expect and something no civilian captain carrying bloody bottles would try to force themselves past in an unarmed vessel.
So either these State forces destroyed multiple unarmed haulers full of harmless cargo and crew without using any of the tools available to them to enforce this border without such bloodshed, or the haulers were piloted by recent converts to the EoM or some crap like that.
Or...
There's more to this than what has been reported, unless the State's gone more insane than under Heth, and that's just not something I'm willing to assume. They're crazy, but Caldari crazy. This nonsense right here is a crazy none of our nations can claim just yet. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation
Mercenary Coalition
1469
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Posted - 2017.03.29 18:48:15 -
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Jev North wrote:Funny how your mind went straight to murder.
As if it's not exactly where anyone's mind went. It's exactly what people mean every damn time they start rejecting someone's views on the basis of "not enough murderfucking done to be relevant" and you know it. Pretending otherwise is rather disingenuous. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation
Mercenary Coalition
1477
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Posted - 2017.03.30 23:14:39 -
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Red here is in an outfit that thrives on spin, information control, misinformation and so on. This both lends weight to her words and also makes them deliciously ironic at the same time.
Enjoy this double treat, but do heed her words.
... with a bucket of salt, but heed nonetheless. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation
Mercenary Coalition
1490
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Posted - 2017.03.31 17:38:18 -
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Dude, have a protein bar. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation
Mercenary Coalition
1501
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Posted - 2017.04.01 16:59:07 -
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Arrendis wrote:
Yes, let's.
... not.
Be the better person and don't devote this much time and effort in perpetuating this crapshow of a topic, hmm? This is crap posting HQ certainly, but you aren't doing yourself or anyone else any favors by pouring this much effort into it. Make these boards a slightly better place by keeping shiptoasting low effort and promoting the actually decent discussions with the proper effort you're capable of.
Resource allocation, Red, you should be decent at it. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation
Mercenary Coalition
1512
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Posted - 2017.04.04 19:02:18 -
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Aldrith Shutaq wrote:Matar Ronin wrote:P. Phony
I. Ignorant
E. Excrement
Pretty much explains your value but thanks for your input. Hey. Hey Matar. My daughter wants you to know something. She says you're a poopy face.
And still more eloquent than the target. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation
Mercenary Coalition
1543
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Posted - 2017.04.10 17:47:43 -
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I think you misunderstand taking advantage of their freedom to speak, question and raise concerns with thinking they're owed actual answers, although I'm sure some people do actually think that.
It's pretty simple. When unpalatable events occur and there's suspicion of foul play, some people don't blindly shut their brains off and go with whatever the powers that be blurf out publicly and instead ask questions or make statements of their own. Neither of these things are owed any kind of response, but it's very often telling what does get a response, what does not get a response and the nature of said response.
When I question something, it's rarely because I expect to get an actual answer. Most entities in New Eden are incurably dishonest and malicious so most responses aren't particularly trustworthy to begin with, but it's almost always useful to see where things get stonewalled and where there's endless deflection, hemming, hawing or inconsistencies. In some few cases, you may even get an honest answer, but even when you don't there's much to learn.
And sometimes, most importantly, it's simply a matter of getting the question out there. We have a massive audience on these boards, and if a few of them go "heeeey yeah! What about this or that and so on?!" the important objective has already been achieved.
When there's no explanations or answers to critical questioning, it's a tell-tale sign of misconduct. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation
Mercenary Coalition
1544
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Posted - 2017.04.10 18:45:33 -
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You seem to think my statement is somehow 'inky black' or 'villanous'. They're strong words, sure, but gather together any random selection of human beings and start gauging their honesty, selfishness and so on. Are you willing to wager on what the majority will qualify as?
Now throw institutional selfishness and greed into the picture and you have pretty much any entity of relevance in New Eden.
Think they come out any better than the random selection?
People are just people indeed, and individually none of them are heroes, villains, truly righteous or truly evil. This doesn't change that as a species we're tribal, we're 'us vs them', we're hard-wired for self-preservation at the expense of others if necessary and equally hard-wired not to be able to truly empathize with any significant amount of other people. This isn't evil, this isn't villainous or any of the sort.
... but it does mean that entities in New Eden that aren't incurably dishonest and malicious are truly few and far between.
Nuance is all well and good, but that doesn't mean the big picture doesn't remain rather ugly. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation
Mercenary Coalition
1545
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Posted - 2017.04.10 19:28:28 -
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I act this way because every time I assumed someone wasn't out to harm my people - intentionally or otherwise, it turns out they were.
Every.
Time.
This is not hyperbole. This isn't pessimism, misanthropy or paranoia. It's documented history. You can try to dismiss my views and stance on things with your shade, but this is just how it is. Trusting my people's safety to actual avowed enemies is probably the dumbest possible thing anyone can do, by both logic and proven history.
This may not play into your agenda or naivete, but that's just how it is. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation
Mercenary Coalition
1545
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Posted - 2017.04.10 20:08:47 -
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Your powers of mind reading are impressive if you know who I've assumed are threats and who I haven't, which is the only way you could tell if I'm mistaken or not. Trust me, my experiences with SFRIM getting in the way of the well-being of my people are far too recent history to be part of what I've been talking about right here. It should have been readily apparent that I never had any trust in that regard, for good reason and rather vindicated on that as it turned out.
That you find issue with why I don't trust SFRIM at all anymore is equal parts tragic and funny, since I know you were once capable of seeing the perspective of others. It shouldn't be difficult to see why someone's leery about avowed enemies of my people repeatedly keeping innocents away from their kin, and once even away from proper medical aid for days when it could have been done in minutes. Out of spite.
I genuinely don't care if you trust my 'perceptions'. I am disappointed by you dismissing the objective facts in favor of your emotional attachment to your leash holder.
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation
Mercenary Coalition
1545
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Posted - 2017.04.10 20:38:57 -
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Syenna Celeste wrote:Mizhara Del'thul wrote:I act this way because every time I assumed someone wasn't out to harm my people... "My people". These are two words that you say a lot and like every over used phrase you can only repeat it so many times before it loses all meaning to anybody still listening. Who are your people, Mizhara? Who are these poor, defenseless innocents that you claim to protect? Are you protecting them from your cushy seat in MC? Are you somehow better placed now to judge those in less noble professions than outright piracy? You spent so long trying to protect your "people" from the likes of me, and you failed utterly. And yet you're still here claiming to fight the good fight with words and a complete lack of action. Put your ISK where your mouth is, if only so the next time we slap your filthy, tattoo spoiled face we might have some of it fall out.
As if you were ever a threat to my people. For that matter, as if you ever posed a threat to me. The Pendulum Wars were bloodsport with a scoreboard and you know it.
If you want to come 'slap my filthy tattoo spoiled face', I suppose that'll have to wait until the day you grow the fortitude required to fight someone a tad less vulnerable than humanitarian organizations or the Pendulum War participants. Or you know, you can always go for the assets already anchored and vulnerable. I promise they aren't cowering behind the safety of w-space chains in some spooky space system.
As for lack of action or ISK spent, I don't think you've been paying much attention.
@Aria: Deflecting with that looks an awful lot like not having an answer. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation
Mercenary Coalition
1546
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Posted - 2017.04.10 20:48:05 -
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Point out any of my people within my reach I have abandoned and I'll pay you every ISK I own and transfer the Hel as well. As for my status as a Mercenary, you really haven't been paying much attention if that's the worst you can use against me. I've done far worse than that, many a time.
My reputation and status has never been one of neither honor nor high regard. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation
Mercenary Coalition
1547
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Posted - 2017.04.10 21:37:18 -
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Is that truly so hard a thing to understand intuitively? The concept shouldn't be alien to you even given your chosen path. My clan. My tribe. The men, women and children enduring what I did from birth. Those who are family through blood, deed or love. Every bloodline and people named in the Accords and those who have come since. The person next to me. The person on the other side of New Eden, fighting for my enemies. The faithful, the betrayed, the free and the enslaved.
'My people' means a thousand different things to different people and even to one person depending on the context. No different for us than it does for those of different cultures and nationalities.
As for fighting for them, that has been a lament for some time. There's no capsuleer targets to fight, and we've been - as I'm growing vexed at repeating - surgically excised from being able to legally affect these things among baseliners.
@Aria, I don't need to 'trust your perceptions' or agree with them. I just idly wonder if you have any that you yourself consider valid, because when you deflect rather than respond, it looks a lot like you do not and I hope I'm wrong about that. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation
Mercenary Coalition
1547
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Posted - 2017.04.10 22:38:54 -
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Very well, heading for a rest cycle so not much point trying to coax something other than deflection from you in that regard. Just do please consider the very simple viewpoint that requires no delving of alien realms: When the deflections come only when convenient to ignore something, sprinkled between the actual discussions you do have answers for, I'm sure you can understand why I wonder if you have any solid perceptions, agreed with or not.
Good night, Aria. I genuinely hope I'm wrong. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation
Mercenary Coalition
1941
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Posted - 2017.05.26 09:02:20 -
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Throwing money at a screw-up to make a problem go away is not 'being responsible'. That is being irresponsibly delinquent in their duty to expose the failure points in the system that allowed the event to occur in the first place, and ensuring that they are rectified in order to avoid such failure in the future.
Taking responsibility is being responsible. Refuting it and undoubtedly lying through their teeth is most certainly not.
If you can't see what the benefit is in acknowledging failure in order to rectify it, you're seriously short-sighted. |
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